The part I find most interesting was that CoeburnCane tried to use the were young line for the VaTech beatdown Miami took and they are pretty much even other than Tech having twice as many freshmen.
NCAA AP Top 25 plus top 5 vote getters outside the poll.
Breakdown of players by class.
Teams with the most Freshman:
Nebraska 80
Georgia Tech 61
UCLA 59
Penn State 58
Virginia Tech 58
LSU 57
Wisconsin 57
Mississippi 56
Boise St. 55
West Virginia 51
Oklahoma 51
Teams with the most Sophomores:
Florida State 38
Cincinnati 33
Alabama 32
Penn State 30
LSU 28
Notre Dame 27
Brigham Young 27
Boise State 26
Miami 26
Virginia Tech 25
Houston 25
Arizona 25
Michigan 25
Teams with the most Juniors:
Florida 34
Arizona 30
Georgia Tech 30
Iowa 30
Michigan 30
South Carolina 30
TCU 30
Oregon 29
Notre Dame 28
Ohio State 28
Teams with the most Seniors:
USC 42
Michigan 33
Notre Dame 31
Mississippi 28
Alabama 24
LSU 24
Utah 24
Arizona 23
Oklahoma State Cowboys 23
Tennessee 22
Team with the most players: Nebraska 143
Team with the least players: Miami 91
#01 Florida Gators - Class Breakdown Freshmen 38 Sophomores 20 Juniors 34 Seniors 19 / 111 players
#02 Alabama Crimson Tide - Class Breakdown Freshmen 34 Sophomores 32 Juniors 18 Seniors 24 / 108 players
#03 Texas Longhorns - Class Breakdown Freshmen 45 Sophomores 23 Juniors 24 Seniors 19 / 111 players
#04 Boise State Broncos - Class Breakdown Freshmen 55 Sophomores 26 Juniors 20 Seniors 5 / 106 players
#05 Cincinnati Bearcats - Class Breakdown Freshmen 43 Sophomores 33 Juniors 16 Seniors 18 / 110 players
#06 Iowa Hawkeyes - Class Breakdown Freshmen 43 Sophomores 24 Juniors 30 Seniors 16 / 113 players
#07 USC Trojans - Class Breakdown Freshmen 20 Sophomores 23 Juniors 25 Seniors 42 / 110 players
#08 TCU Horned Forgs - Class Breakdown Freshmen 45 Sophomores 23 Juniors 30 Seniors 14 / 112 players
#09 LSU Tigers - Class Breakdown Freshmen 57 Sophomores 28 Juniors 15 Seniors 24 / 124 players
#10 Miami Hurricanes - Class Breakdown Freshmen 27 Sophomores 26 Juniors 17 Seniors 21 / 91 players
#11 Oregon Ducks - Class Breakdown Freshmen 44 Sophomores 21 Juniors 29 Seniors 14 / 108 players
#12 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets - Class Breakdown Freshmen 61 Sophomores 23 Juniors 30 Seniors 10 / 124 players
#13 Penn State Nittany Lions - Class Breakdown Freshmen 58 Sophomores 30 Juniors 16 Seniors 17 / 121 players
#14 Virginia Tech Hokies - Class Breakdown Freshmen 58 Sophomores 25 Juniors 15 Seniors 22 / 120 players
#15 Oklahoma State Cowboys - Class Breakdown Freshmen 45 Sophomores 24 Juniors 24 Seniors 23 / 116 players
#16 Brigham Young Cougars - Class Breakdown Freshmen 39 Sophomores 27 Juniors 16 Seniors 20 / 102 players
#17 Houston Cougars - Class Breakdown Freshmen 40 Sophomores 25 Juniors 18 Seniors 19 / 109 players
#18 Utah Utes - Class Breakdown Freshmen 47 Sophomores 18 Juniors 21 Seniors 24 / 110 players
#19 Ohio State Buckeyes - Class Breakdown Freshmen 49 Sophomores 21 Juniors 28 Seniors 19 / 117 players
#20 Pittsburgh Panthers - Class Breakdown Freshmen 40 Sophomores 23 Juniors 15 Seniors 20 / 98 players
#21 Wisconsin Badgers - Class Breakdown Freshmen 57 Sophomores 24 Juniors 16 Seniors 18 / 115 players
#22 Arizona Wildcats - Class Breakdown Freshmen 37 Sophomores 25 Juniors 30 Seniors 23 / 115 players
#23 West Virginia Mountaineers - Class Breakdown Freshmen 51 Sophomores 23 Juniors 22 Seniors 21 / 117 players
#24 South Carolina Game****s - Class Breakdown Freshmen 49 Sophomores 21 Juniors 30 Seniors 9 / 109 players
#25 Kansas Jayhawks - Class Breakdown Freshmen 41 Sophomores 21 Juniors 24 Seniors 14 / 100 players
#26 Notre Dame Fighting Irish - Class Breakdown Freshmen 23 Sophomores 27 Juniors 28 Seniors 31 / 109 players
#27 Mississippi Rebels - Class Breakdown Freshmen 56 Sophomores 15 Juniors 24 Seniors 28 / 123 players
#28 South Florida Bulls - Class Breakdown Freshmen 47 Sophomores 18 Juniors 26 Seniors 18 / 109 players
#29 Nebraska Cornhuskers - Class Breakdown Freshmen 80 Sophomores 23 Juniors 26 Seniors 14 / 143 players
#30 Michigan Wolverines - Class Breakdown Freshmen 38 Sophomores 25 Juniors 30 Seniors 33 / 126 players
Other Notable Programs:
Tennessee Volunteers - Class Breakdown Freshmen 40 Sophomores 23 Juniors 26 Seniors 22 / 111 players
Florida State Seminoles - Class Breakdown Freshmen 34 Sophomores 38 Juniors 16 Seniors 17 / 105 players
Oklahoma Sooners - Class Breakdown Freshmen 51 Sophomores 20 Juniors 20 Seniors 20 / 111 players
UCLA Bruins - Class Breakdown Freshmen 59 Sophomores 22 Juniors 19 Seniors 19 / 119 players
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The part I find most interesting was that CoeburnCane tried to use the were young line for the VaTech beatdown Miami took and they are pretty much even other than Tech having twice as many freshmen.
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The reason why you should find it interesting is that these #'s have to be off. You can only have 85 rostered scholarship players per NCAA rules, and yet we're looking at 100+ for most teams, and 91 at the least for Miami? My next question would be how many of these Freshmen/Sophomores are on the 2-deep for most of these squads. The next question after that is how many walk-ons/practice squad players are ramping up these #'s for each team.
If you're only allowed 25 schollies per recruiting year to count towards the 85, even taking into consideration gray-shirts and other situations that cause classes to swell to into the 30's some years for some teams, I still don't see how you get 50+ Freshmen--just doesn't seem feasible at all.
I think if you took it down to 85/team (i.e.--the ones that are actually gonna get to play), then the numbers would make much more sense. Like this, they're useless.
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correct...here are the better numbers
in VT's 2-deep there are...
14 Freshmen
9 Sophomores
9 Juniors
12 Seniors
whereas in the very youthful Miami team there are...
6 Freshmen
13 Sophomores
11 Juniors
14 Seniors
VT - 23 Fr/So
Miami - 19 Fr/So
but Miami seems to have been young for 6 years straight so next year the numbers could flip-flop
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correct...here are the better numbers
in VT's 2-deep there are...
14 Freshmen
9 Sophomores
9 Juniors
12 Seniors
whereas in the very youthful Miami team there are...
6 Freshmen
13 Sophomores
11 Juniors
14 Seniors
VT - 23 Fr/So
Miami - 19 Fr/So
but Miami seems to have been young for 6 years straight so next year the numbers could flip-flop
There ya go, happy now?
Of course it included practic squad players and not just scholly players, with the number I figured that was a given and a no-brainer. That even works against them, Tech has more players willing to walk-on without a scholarship and be on the practice squad as miami has on scholarship.
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all the numbers from this came from ESPN. could be that the numbers were including players that are on their scout teams or whatever. but.. all the numbers came from ESPN solely.
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Not especially, because I know that UM's playing more than 6 Freshmen a game. They're playing closer to 11, with guys like Telemaque, Highsmith, M. James, Armstrong, McGee, Jones, Vernon, Washington, J. Johnson, Porter, and Holton.
And what those raw numbers don't tell you is that a lot of those Sophomores and even a few of the Juniors are just now getting their first meaningful snaps as Canes--so, class-wise they may not be "young", but in terms of meaningful field time, they are inexperienced...which as memory serves is the word I used after Miami's loss in Blacksburg.
Once all these guys start getting lots of snaps under their belts, they'll come around and develop to the point of where they need to be. Same thing with the younger VT kids. Notice I didn't say for a minute that VT wasn't young either, just that Miami's youth caught up to them and VT executed well at home.
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DUH--of course they would. With VT being a public school with almost 24,000 undergraduate students vs. Miami being a private school with around 10,500 undergraduate students, it's one of those "no-brainers" that they'd have more kids willing to pay their own way and walk on.
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But it's de u, the most prestigious place ever, being private or public should have no bearing on whether a kid would be willing to go to one or the other.
And even with miami using 11 freshmen, that's still 3 fewer than VT.
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That's the dumbest thing you've ever said on here. When you're talking kids who are going to a public school b/c it's cheaper to go there, and they happen to be pretty good football players--they may walk-on to the football team and still afford to go to school w/o any problems. Most private schools have WAY lower enrollment numbers, and less of a chance to get a decent football player that they didn't recruit come out and be on the practice squad--keeping in mind that some of these kids that would do that couldn't afford to pay their own way to Miami and walk-on in the first place.
I'd wager that the 11 freshmen at Miami are getting more PT than the 14 freshmen at VT. I'd say that the 12 Seniors/9 Juniors/9 Sophomores are being leaned on heavily by Beamer.And even with miami using 11 freshmen, that's still 3 fewer than VT.
For example--on Rivals (where I'm guessing Drew got his data from), they list Xavier Boyce as a starting WR, when most of the time in a 3 WR set, VT has Coale, Boykin, and Roberts. The only freshmen I've seen them put on the field have been Ryan Williams, David Wilson, Jayron Hosley, and Isaiah Hamlette (plus Boyce). So that's 5.
Someone who watches VT more than me correct me if I'm wrong--but I still don't think they're playing 11, much less 14, Freshmen/game.
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